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Poster: cashel Date: May 23, 2004 12:12pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

I should have stated ,in very first post that my opinions were based on my Australian Experience. Conditions are vastly different in USA where parody has different connatations and THAT film may be legally acceptable. However. I was mainly arguing on the basis of common standards of decency. I would be outraged if such a film was made about me ,family, friends or any one whom I respected. Nobody has challenged the basic premise of my review, that the film established a precedent.. NO,if you hate somebody, you make a film about them that contains LIES< LIES and more lies. Warning:do not try in australia

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 23, 2004 12:39pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

I was mainly arguing on the basis of common standards of decency. I would be outraged if such a film was made about me ,family, friends or any one whom I respected.


You could be as outraged as you wanted, but if you try to impinge on the creator's right to make that movie, that is CENSORSHIP!

Right now, the Walt Disney Company is outraged at Michael Moore for making a movie that makes fun of President Bush. So they're blocking the release of the film. Certainly doesn't make it right.

Nobody has challenged the basic premise of my review, that the film established a precedent.. NO,if you hate somebody, you make a film about them that contains LIES< LIES and more lies.


First off, your review does not support or even mention the "basic premise" that it sets a precedent. Second, nobody involved hates George Putnam, and third, everyone is telling you that we already KNOW it's a LIE.

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Poster: cashel Date: May 23, 2004 1:36pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

Why don,t you tell Mr.Moore to put an enemy,s face on the "come,,,fun.." movie (instead of the hated MrPutman )? I bet the explosion (contempt) would be felt around the civilised decent world.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 23, 2004 1:54pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

Why don,t you tell Mr.Moore to put an enemy,s face on the "come,,,fun.." movie (instead of the hated MrPutman )?


I have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean. I wouldn't do that because... um... er... because it is an incoherent question.

(Are you drunk or something?)

I bet the explosion (contempt) would be felt around the civilised decent world.


Actually, the "contempt" for Mr. Moore's film, in which he expressly exposes his enemy's face, has manifested itself as a Palme d'Or trophy at the Cannes Film Festival.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1113884.htm

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Poster: cashel Date: May 23, 2004 2:11pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

You couldn,t understand my reply. This is the standard response when there is no answer. However, I will reply in the simplest terms. I said that you would not dare to suggest to Mr Moore(the subject of your previous post)that he take the "come have fun" film., retain the lying audio, but delete the images of Putman and replace with video images of an enemy and have a new hate film. I stated that this would be greeted with contempt. I did NOT refer to moore,s prize winning film. You will never be lonely..most of the insults appear to come from your friends

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Poster: Spuzz Date: May 23, 2004 2:42pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

This is become more stranger as it goes along.

Are you saying you're lonely Jack?

I never started this to FLAME you Jack, as I said, I just was concerned about an overly negative review that verged on flaming, Thought I knew you better, apparently not.

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Poster: cashel Date: May 23, 2004 2:51pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

SPUZZ I did NOT say that I was lonely. I did suggest to the previous person that he would find friends who would agree with him. THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS DISCUSSION..Your help is greatly appreciated. I have now gathered sufficient information for my magazine article.. Thanks again, spuzz,

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Poster: Spuzz Date: May 23, 2004 3:04pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

LOL @ "Magazine article"

right.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 23, 2004 3:08pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

Pataquès Cahiers du Cinema, no doubt.

(Or as we call the English edition: Incoherent Cinema Notes)

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 23, 2004 2:48pm
Forum: opensource_movies Subject: Re: To Jack, re 'Come Join The Fun'.

HUH? Why would Michael Moore do that, exactly? And why would the results prove anything?

This is a straw man argument -- you set up the rules for that argument, therefore, you get to knock me down. "Why don't you..." There is no answer for that, except I would not suggest Michael Moore do that, or any analogous situation, because it makes no sense at all.

"Hey, Michael, me amigo, why don't you put new video on top of this audio? Keep George Putnam's voice, and put somebody else's face on it?"

"Well, Ridetheory, I won't do that because it's a really seriously RANDOM request, and it would accomplish nothing, but thank you for asking."

"I'm sorry, Michael. Some guy put me up to it. I'm so embarrassed now."

I am quite enjoying this argument, but we've been at it all day and I'm going to bed now. I suggest that you do the same.

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-05-23 21:48:17